12:04:19 From Dave Dougherty to Everyone: Fireflies.ai | AI Teammate to Transcribe, Summarize, Analyze Meetings, Real Time AI Note Taker 12:10:48 From Dave Dougherty to Everyone: Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch 12:11:41 From Dave Dougherty to Everyone: Pekwachnamaykoskwaskwaypinwanik Lake 12:27:10 From Dave Dougherty to Everyone: Fireflies is back. I declined permission to record. 12:34:06 From Dave Dougherty to Claude Buettner, MN (direct message): Sadly, you were holding the paper in front of your camera, partially obscuring our view of your face. 12:35:02 From Claude Buettner, MN to Dave Dougherty (direct message): Replying to "Sadly, you were holding the paper in front of your...": Oh dear! At least it's just a corner of the screen. I'm not that important. 12:35:39 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone: At any time please put you questions for the Q&A portion of the talk. You will be taking in order. 13:04:32 From Dave Dougherty to Claude Buettner, MN (direct message): I trust you will have a first question as we now have not others in line. 13:07:18 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone: Prof. Ahmed mentioned Climate Defiance: https://actionnetwork.org/groups/climatedefiance 13:07:54 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone: Replying to "Prof. Ahmed mentioned Climate Defiance: https://a...": Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_Defiance 13:08:15 From Dave Dougherty to Claude Buettner, MN (direct message): Q: What dangers will there be in "climate defiance" and might concentration camps be built to house protestors? In which countries might government counter-protest be most intense? 13:11:55 From Dave Dougherty to Everyone: Q: What dangers will there be in "climate defiance" and might concentration camps be built to house protestors? In which countries might government counter-protest be most intense? 13:12:22 From William Rees (Vancouver, Canada) to Everyone: As of 2024, the world remained >80% reliant on fossil fuels; Renewable sources provided ~40% of electricity, wind and solar about 20%. This latter is only abut 3% of total final global energy consumption.Since the UNFCCC (1992) and 29 COP Conferences later, all ostensibly intended to reduce carbon emissions and atmospheric dioxide concentrations, emissions have in fact increased by over 60%, fossil fuel use and emissions are at an all-time high and rising, and atmospheric concentrations are at record levels and rising. Nations are failing to meet their Paris COP targets, Arguably, then, there is as yet no energy transition, and UNFCCC is a failure. There is no possibility of net Zero emissions by 2050. Many nations, including Canada and especially the US are rapidly backtracking. How do you square this reality with your theoretical framing? 13:14:36 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone: Replying to "As of 2024, the world remained >80% reliant on fos...": Bill, do you want to use my slot for the first question to discuss/ask this? 13:15:11 From William Rees (Vancouver, Canada) to Everyone: Replying to "As of 2024, the world remained >80% reliant on fos...": No need, you can go ahead. 13:17:06 From Ted Manning to Everyone: What are the preconditions to allow or accept community protest. When I marched at the origin of ' 13:18:06 From Ted Manning to Everyone: Greenpeace it was not easy to get more than a few headlines. The system wished it would just go away. 13:18:10 From William Rees (Vancouver, Canada) to Everyone: I should also point out that climate change is only one symptom of eco-overshoot (the cause of climate change) and that the focus on climate is a distraction from the real problem. Worse, everything we are doing to address global heating is not fixing the climate and worsening overshoot. Your thoughts? 13:18:47 From Ted Manning to Everyone: Greenpeace still has some presence but are groups like this effective? What works? 13:20:18 From Dave Dougherty to Claude Buettner, MN (direct message): Am I on deck? 13:20:49 From William Rees (Vancouver, Canada) to Everyone: I erred earlier. Wind and solar provided not 20% but only ~15% of electricity in 2024. 13:22:03 From John Hollins to Everyone: You showed us photos of a couple of protest marches. What is your assessment of the effectiveness of such protests? Our club of 100+ members can only join protests organised by larger organisations. Should we concentrate of advocacy to decision makers? 13:25:05 From John Hollins to Claude Buettner, MN (direct message): I note that the sense of my question will already have been addressed by Ted. 13:25:40 From Claude Buettner, MN to John Hollins (direct message): Replying to "I note that the sense of my question will already ...": But you can ask another to get back in the queu, John. 13:28:31 From Dave Dougherty to Everyone: For everyone's information, Art Hunter's internet failed and he will not be back on line until 21:00 or so. Claude Buettner, MN:πŸ‘ 13:33:32 From Anitra Thorhaug to Everyone: The problem may be the concept of using the national and international governments of the world as the units who are really controlling the use of fossil fuel.Perhaps they are not the controlling factor. Obviously the very large, controlling industries and also the citizen choices in how they live and use fossil products are the units appearing to control fossil increase or diminution. . 13:39:52 From William Rees (Vancouver, Canada) to Everyone: Question for everyone: What is the probability that "the system" can be changed voluntarily and peacefully, given current power structures and vested interests. 13:40:21 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone: Replying to "Question for everyone: What is the probability th...": Near zero. 13:40:38 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone: Replying to "Greenpeace still has some presence but are groups ...": Rev21 suggests that non-violent disruption has been effective, but not just demonstrations which seem to be ignored. 13:42:08 From Peter MacKinnon, uOttawa, Engineering to Everyone: Replying to "Question for everyone: What is the probability th...": Absolute zero probability 13:42:58 From John Hollins to Everyone: Time to change track? The CO2 already in the atmosphere resides for a very long time. More attention to adaptation? 13:44:35 From Madeleine Aubrey to Everyone: Thank you Nadia, I applaud your enthusiasm and dedication to finding a path forward. Your comments gives me more energy and insights into the important use of networking and human values for moving forward. It also helps to remember our children and grand children as a source of inspiration. Nadia Ahmad:❀️ 13:45:29 From William Rees (Vancouver, Canada) to Everyone: Automobiles consume 40% of the US corn crop, more than animals or people. This is not only inefficient, it's just plain stupid and boondoggle for the ethanol industry. No need to go vegetarian or vegan if we stop biomass going to machinery. 13:45:41 From Dave Dougherty to Claude Buettner, MN (direct message): I have asked Ted to get ready to thank Nadia in case there are no more questions shortly. 13:45:47 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone: Replying to "Thank you Nadia, I applaud your enthusiasm and ded...": Madeleine, we have time. Do you want to make your comment in a question form? You'd be on deck. 13:46:45 From Madeleine Aubrey to Everyone: Replying to "Thank you Nadia, I applaud your enthusiasm and ded...": Yes I would like to expand on networking. 13:48:33 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone: Replying to "Thank you Nadia, I applaud your enthusiasm and ded...": πŸ‘Great you are on deck. You can turn on your video and mic. 13:49:42 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone: Charlie, turn on your video of you want to get into the queu. We have about 11 minutes to gol 13:49:47 From William Rees (Vancouver, Canada) to Everyone: Thanks for the presentation and stimulating conversation. Gotta go. Claude Buettner, MN:πŸ‘ 13:50:09 From Dave Dougherty to Everyone: Replying to "Thanks for the presentation and stimulating conver...": Thanks for coming, Bill. Hope to see you again. Dave 13:52:09 From Claude Buettner, MN to Dave Dougherty (direct message): Replying to "I have asked Ted to get ready to thank Nadia in ca...": πŸ‘I'll read Bill's bio-fuel question/comment. I'll call time at 2 minutes to the hour. 13:52:53 From Claude Buettner, MN to Ted Manning (direct message): Ted. I'll call on you about 2 minutes before the hour to give our official thanks. 13:53:05 From Dave Dougherty to Claude Buettner, MN (direct message): Replying to "I have asked Ted to get ready to thank Nadia in ca...": Good 13:54:15 From Paul Beckwith to Everyone: Great presentation Nadia. Good questions everybody... Nadia Ahmad:❀️ 13:54:36 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone: Replying to "Great presentation Nadia. Good questions everybody...": πŸ‘ 14:02:50 From Nadia Ahmad to Everyone: n.ahmad@yale.edu 14:02:56 From Nadia Ahmad to Everyone: 407-925-2285 14:09:05 From Peter MacKinnon, uOttawa, Engineering to Everyone: Thanks must go to next meeting 14:16:01 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone: Derek Paul's presentation in 2023: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4TF_HLHR1M 14:16:45 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone: Replying to "Derek Paul's presentation in 2023: https://www.you...": And 2021 presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1KUN8MJpa4 14:18:09 From Dave Dougherty to Everyone: https://www.amazon.com/Leap-Ecological-Economy-Fifth/dp/1966972830