13:42:43 From Ruben Nelson to Everyone:
	If you would like a copy of the quote from Charlie that I used to introduce him, (editorial - included here) 

At All Levels: Surface to Depths

The failure today, to bring the potential reality and implications of peak oil, indeed peak everything, into
scientific discourse and teaching is a grave threat to Industrial society.

The concept of the possibility of a huge, multifaceted failure of some substantial part of
industrial civilization is so completely outside the understanding of our leaders that we are almost
totally unprepared for it.

Charles A.S. Hall & John W Daly, Jr.
Revisiting the Limits to Growth After Peak Oil
American Scientist
May-June, 2009


13:48:09 From Paul Beckwith to Everyone:
	China is light years ahead in solar electric, batteries, and EVs. Now, they are restricting critical materials in anticipation of US tariffs.
	Climate denying Trump is determined to make the USA an inward-focused petrostate. 
	
	Do you see a future for renewables in the USA.

13:56:28 From John Hollins to Everyone:
	Most important statement in the video required just seven words: Ultimately, it’s our consumption that drives everything. Comment.

13:57:23 From Richard van der Jagt to Everyone:
	couldn't agree more John

14:00:41 From Richard van der Jagt to Everyone:
	Q: is there any data to suggest we don't have to meet the demand of raw materials to shift to renewables? So many other countries seem to have adapted well

14:03:13 From John Meyer to Everyone:
	Question:  EROI is a critical overview metric but it needs to be tuned regionally with the demand for energy.  Renewable energy infrastructure requirements in Inuvik is hundreds of times that of Guadalajara.  Is anyone working on this with a unified metric?


14:12:16 From Brian Kelly. Whitby Ontario to Everyone:
	Can I recommend the new book: Life After Doom by Brian D. McLaren

14:13:58 From John Meyer to Everyone:
	Question.  We need to differentiate between growth and stability.  Farmers and any goods producer does not need to make more every year.  They can get by with the current level of production.  Only "the growth industry" developers, debt mongers etc need to have a bigger GDP every year.  We don't need them.

14:17:57 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone:
	Replying to "Can I recommend the ..."
	
	$17 for Kindle version: https://www.amazon.ca/Life-After-Doom-Courage-Falling-ebook/dp/B0CD5MZ8N3?ref_=ast_author_mpb

14:18:57 From David Pollock to Everyone:
	Main thesis of Book?  Life After Doom ??  Thanks

14:24:12 From stevekurtz to Everyone:
	I must leave soon. So if Charlie wants to address this I won’t be here to interact. He mentioned fewer humans. So far, the film has avoided the P word completely. Fertility is crashing, and we might not reach 9B. But quality of life could crash faster than population. Does Charlie believe that voluntary shrinkage is likely? I don’t think there is any chance of that, as wars over resources and ideologies are expanding as we speak. Involuntary simplicity is the likely outcome.

14:24:59 From Ruben Nelson to Everyone:
	Steve, I'll ask you question if we have time.

14:25:34 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone:
	Meanwhile: https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/  and the first minute of Peter Carter's recent summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk9vulmEbqc

14:37:23 From Richard van der Jagt to Everyone:
	we need to follow Norway's lead

14:37:23 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone:
	Comment on Norway's energy situation, according to a Google summary: According to data from the Norwegian Petroleum Directorate, Norway exported approximately 100 million Sm³ (equivalent to 1.7 million barrels per day) of crude oil in 2023.

14:37:46 From Raymond Leury to Everyone:
	We use copper because it's the best, i.e. lowest cost, solution for many technologies.  Aluminium can substitute copper.  What are your thoughts on our ability to substitute the other scarce materials such as the rare-earth, cobalt and other "critical" materials?

14:38:15 From John Hollins to Everyone:
	CaCOR Live is different from any other forum of presentations that I have attended. The traditional is Questions and Answers. At CaCOR Live, we’ve moved beyond that to hold conversations. Far richer, in my view, given the wide range of disciplines of the attendees.

14:38:31 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone:
	Replying to "Comment on Norway's ..."
	
	Sorry, Richard, I don't think Norway is a great example because their sales of hydrocarbon allowed them to build renewables, not a typical country.

14:39:16 From Richard van der Jagt to Everyone:
	good point Raymond as many have said ( mostly propaganda from FF companies) that getting an EV is environmentally unfriendly

14:39:23 From Ruben Nelson to Everyone:
	John the free flow conversation will come once we finish the Q&A

14:40:30 From Richard van der Jagt to Everyone:
	I disagree that it needs more oil, just another source of energy

14:40:35 From Raymond Leury to Everyone:
	Any thoughts on the amount of energy required to do things like VTOL and space colonization?

14:41:09 From Richard van der Jagt to Everyone:
	agreed

14:41:33 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone:
	Replying to "good point Raymond a..."
	
	Bill Rees also has said things to this effect, by the way. He's coming back to CACOR Live on February 5 so we should ask him then what his current evidence and thinking is.

14:41:54 From Richard van der Jagt to Everyone:
	Replying to "good point Raymond a..."
	
	great idea!

14:44:26 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone:
	Comment: if our renewable growth isn't sufficient to make an Orderly Transition then we will eventually experience a Disorderly Transition (nomenclature of Network for Greening Financial Systems, https://www.ngfs.net/en  )

14:46:28 From Ted Manning to Everyone:
	Replying to "good point Raymond a..."
	
	We have documented energy needs by different livestyles in different climates as part of our wellbeing initiative.  I would note that I lived for over two years in New Zealand without heat or cooling, and mainly walked to work/university.  This was more feasible there in the City I was resident as the temperature never exceeded 25C while I was there and the coolest was about 15C)  This is of course different in Fort McMurray.

14:47:20 From Richard van der Jagt to Everyone:
	the health effects of FF use worry me, regarding his statement of the need for FF to make all the things we need

14:48:59 From Ted Manning to Everyone:
	Replying to "good point Raymond a..."
	
	There is also a big range of options of energy sources  (see Quebec) vs an oil dependent town in many areas without good wind, solar or hydro options.  The answer therefore likely to be very site-specific.  We  need real data on real places to do human comparisons.

14:49:12 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone:
	"Frugality is Good!"

14:54:14 From John Meyer to Everyone:
	Global 200 report - under Jimmy Carter done by Gerry Barney was a look ahead.

14:54:34 From John Meyer to Everyone:
	Replying to "Global 200 report - ..."
	
	Global 2000 sorry

14:54:48 From Ruben Nelson to Everyone:
	and Global 2000 was ignored

14:55:36 From John Meyer to Everyone:
	Yup!
14:56:08 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone:
	Replying to "and Global 2000 was ..."
	
	This report?: https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED212523.pdf

14:56:18 From Brian Kelly. Whitby Ontario to Everyone:
	Agreed.

15:02:28 From Ruben Nelson to Everyone:
	Replying to "and Global 2000 was ..."
	
	yes

15:03:28 From Richard van der Jagt to Everyone:
	As of Oct 8, 2024 , 70% of Canada's electricity comes from renewable resources

15:04:57 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone:
	Replying to "I respectfully sugge..."
	
	I believe five years from now there will be a lot more doomers around that will appreciate Charles' work and conclusions. Have you seen Peter Carter's recent conclusions (just watch the first minute and the final minute summary if you don't want to watch the whole 20 minutues): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk9vulmEbqc

15:06:09 From Brian Kelly. Whitby Ontario to Everyone:
	That's because the electric load managers have not learned how to manage renewables.  Check out how the managers in Spain or Portugal do it.  Our managers are just lazy!

15:06:19 From Ruben Nelson to Everyone:
	and electricity is about 20% of the total amount of the energy we use.

15:06:25 From Raymond Leury to Everyone:
	Replying to "As of Oct 8, 2024 , ..."
	
	Yes, Richard, there are several examples like that.  Also note that Ontario on many days is at over 20% of wind.  In the UK they now have many days where 100% of  the electricity demand can be met with renewables.

15:07:11 From Raymond Leury to Everyone:
	Replying to "and electricity is a..."
	
	If you take into account the Primary Energy Fallacy, electricity accounts for about 50% of the energy services we consume.

15:10:54 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone:
	Replying to "As of Oct 8, 2024 , ..."
	
	@Raymond Leury That's great news to counterbalance the fact that they need to import food as they don't make enough for their nation. Of course there's a carbon cost to that.15:12:11 From Claude Buettner, MN to Everyone:
	
15:12:12 From Ruben Nelson to Everyone:
	chall@esf.edu

15:12:38 From Raymond Leury to Everyone:
	Replying to "As of Oct 8, 2024 , ..."
	
	@Claude Buettner, MN My point is that there are many grids that already integrate way more than 5% of renewables quite successfully.  My reading is that the 5% number was "manufactured" by the incumbent (mostly FF industry) to convince people we still need them ;)

15:18:22 From Raymond Leury to Everyone:
	The Chinese government outlawed crypto for a reason.

15:18:54 From Ruben Nelson to Everyone:
	Replying to "As of Oct 8, 2024 , ..."
	
	does the 70% includes nuclear?  If so, we are not talking about "renewables" or "clean" energy.

15:20:21 From Raymond Leury to Everyone:
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	@Ruben Nelson BC, Manitoba, Québec and NL all use virtually 100% renewables.  Now that's mostly hydro which is much more manageable than wind and solar, but wind and solar are much more manageable that it might appear.

15:21:06 From Ruben Nelson to Everyone:
	Replying to "As of Oct 8, 2024 , ..."
	
	I know all that.  My question is:  Does the &)% include nuclear.

15:21:17 From Ruben Nelson to Everyone:
	Replying to "As of Oct 8, 2024 , ..."
	
	70%

15:21:58 From Raymond Leury to Everyone:
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	@Ruben Nelson I don't believe so.  If you look at everything else across Canada there is only a small proportion that comes from gas and a very small proportion coming from coal.

15:24:14 From Ruben Nelson to Everyone:
	Replying to "As of Oct 8, 2024 , ..."
	
	Sorry Alberta is almost 100% gas.  And Alberta is growing faster than any other province.  Saskatchewan is still coal and gas.

15:27:40 From Raymond Leury to Everyone:
	Replying to "As of Oct 8, 2024 , ..."
	
	@Ruben Nelson Alberta has a huge amount of wind and solar