13:31:20 From  Michael Dowd  to  Everyone:
	My contact info: MichaelBDowd@gmail.com / 425-760-9941

13:32:20 From  Claude Buettner  to  Everyone:
	Michael Dowd will be our speaker next week!

13:35:30 From  Peggy Atherton  to  Everyone:
	Comment only.  I have monitored use of gas energy 

14:00:39 From  Art Hunter  to  Everyone:
	I have a question on solar and geothermal being infinite

14:05:38 From  Michael Dowd  to  Everyone:
	Excellent presentation, Jack!

14:06:13 From  Claude Buettner  to  Everyone:
	A great summary of our dire straits!

14:06:16 From  Jean Dougherty CACOR  to  Everyone:
	Q  How do you propose that we reduce human population?

14:06:38 From  Mike Nickerson  to  Everyone:
	Most of the details you provide are technical.  Do you see a role for reducing material consumption through such programs as “More Fun, Less Stuff” ?

14:08:26 From  John Meyer  to  Everyone:
	Question on rate of decline of high EROI oil fields.

14:08:53 From  Michael Dowd  to  Everyone:
	The Limits to Growth study did not (could not have) incorporated data on Abrupt Climate Mayhem (10,000 years of climate change in half a human lifetime), which has resulted in a half-dozen (or more) extinction or near-extinction level tipping points (thresholds) that we have *already* past a decade or two ago. Do you have anything to say about this?

14:09:02 From  Charl  to  Everyone:
	Where do you get your food?

14:11:59 From  Michael Dowd, postdoom.com  to  Everyone:
	P.S. to my above question: The LtG study did not (could not) have foreseen a 3-5+C rise in average global temp in a few decades. (Much more in Arctic, etc)

14:20:07 From  Charl  to  Everyone:
	Art I think the rich countries might have enough wealth (i.e. energy) to install geothermal and cover 10% of their energy costs (likewise solar PV).  but how many of the 8 billion can (let alone will) make that investment?

14:21:20 From  Mike Nickerson  to  Everyone:
	By the time we have used up our yolk of non-renewable energy, will we have built a body that can live on it own.

14:22:53 From  John Meyer  to  Everyone:
	The "lights have gone out" numerous times in human history  but we don't have a an incorporated societal memory to act on past experience in managing better outcomes as our population cycles demonstrate.

14:23:49 From  Michael Dowd, postdoom.com  to  Everyone:
	Stock up on BBQ sauce! :-)

14:24:24 From  Claude Buettner  to  Everyone:
	An American Famine by Kurt Dahl as suggested by Jack Alpert: https://www.amazon.com/American-Famine-Rosetta-coming-collapse-ebook/dp/B00HKQ8522/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1682533404&sr=8-1

14:30:02 From  Michael Dowd, postdoom.com  to  Everyone:
	May I ask my question at some point?

14:33:41 From  Claude Buettner  to  Everyone:
	Free PDF of the original 1972 The Limits To Growth on the main Club of Rome website: https://www.clubofrome.org/publication/the-limits-to-growth/

14:33:48 From  Lynn Oliphant  to  Everyone:
	Thanks for a very interesting and well designed presentation. Just a comment: My wife and I have tried to lower the size of our footprint living in a self-built, passive solar, strawbale house, drive an electric car powered by a 18.7 Kw solar array that also powers our home, grow much of our own food, have a composting toilet, no clothes dryer or TV, etc, My own footprint calculations suggest your estimate of the human carrying capacity are reasonable if we want to avoid total biodiversity collapse, allow a reasonable margin of error and live a bit better than 17th century serfs.


14:36:58 From  Samrat B  to  Everyone:
	We can imagine the collapse of states, industrial civilization, global trade etc. However, beyond the collapse stage - what comes next? Maybe something better. Because people will become decentralized as a process of collapse. We will run in every direction possible. The current top-down system may collapse (as it has earlier many times) but that does not mean that all the people will perish. Perhaps people, or those who survive, the majority might become more free - even if as barbarians. What does Jack Alpert think of Post-Collapse?

14:38:41 From  Claude Buettner  to  Everyone:
	There is a way "out" from unnecessary suffering: https://postdoom.com/discussions/

14:39:37 From  Mike Nickerson  to  Everyone:
	“More Fun, Less Stuff” = www.sustainwellbeing.net/Key.html

14:45:34 From  Claude Buettner  to  Everyone:
	Replying to "An American Famine b..."
	Barry Bruce, No, just getting that book into our chat record. (I bought it on Amazon just now so it's in my reading list.)

14:46:59 From  Mike Nickerson  to  Everyone:
	We might just have to bite the bullet and enjoy ourselves.

14:52:42 From  Charlie Hall  to  Everyone:
	OK Jack, now run for President on that platform! 

14:53:37 From  Samrat B  to  Everyone:
	Think Jack has already answered my question

14:57:17 From  Samrat B  to  Everyone:
	Thank you so much Jack Alpert. Thanks everyone CACOR

14:57:45 From  Michael Dowd, postdoom.com  to  Everyone:
	Thanks, Jack…and everyone! Great call!!

15:01:30 From  Samrat B  to  Everyone:
	Are there new studies on collapse? As in the impact of, numbers, places - in the global north and or south. In terms of using the information for those who may need it?

15:01:37 From  Michael Dowd, postdoom.com  to  Everyone:
	I’m going to go on a long hike with my beloved bride, science writer Connie Barlow, on a gorgeous day here in Ypsilanti, Michigan. Thanks, all… see you next week! I’ll be presenting on “The Big Picture: Beyond Hope and Fear”.

15:13:58 From  Claude Buettner  to  Everyone:
	Jack's videos on his website: http://www.skil.org/video_index.html

15:19:02 From  Claude Buettner  to  Everyone:
	Jack's plan: http://www.skil.org/position_papers_folder/PlanForUnwindingThePredicament.html 

15:20:56 From  Claude Buettner  to  Everyone:
	What Collected Behavior Creates Sustainability by Jack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPi1z1ELAqw