13:38:08 From Thorhaug Anitra To Art Hunter(Privately):
	Hope all well with you.  Spent last 18 days mucking around in polluted Texas bays (Matagorda) between hurricanes and cold fronts, setting up pilot seagrass restorations.

13:42:04 From Raymond Leury To Everyone:
	C:  That new reactor would be a so-called SMR of a model that has never before been built, so you can be quite sure it would cost more than $3B.

13:42:15 From David Pollock To Everyone:
	Q:  Is there any way that the new nuclear contract can be a fixed price contract to protect taxpayers?

13:42:53 From Raymond Leury To Everyone:
	Q:  What is the current forecast cost for the new reactor's electricity?

13:47:26 From Walter Knitl To Everyone:
	C: Could we get a link to the IESO report?

13:48:34 From Derek Paul To Everyone:
	Comment. There is a foolproof response to disbelievers in climate change via the means by which CC can exterminate species.

13:54:06 From David Pollock To Everyone:
	Q:   Your source for costs, please (IESO or other sources)?

13:55:23 From Peter Bulkowski To Everyone:
	Q.   What would Quebec charge for peaking power?

13:57:16 From Dave Dougherty (CACOR) To Everyone:
	IESO reports readily available via < https://ieso.ca/ > using the "Learn" drop-down button.

14:03:21 From Don Cameron To Everyone:
	Q Can the federal government prohibit the construction of new gas plants?  Isn't electricity a provincial jurisdiction?

14:05:52 From Raymond Leury To Everyone:
	Q:  Enbridge has started a publicity campaign to convince Canadians that CNG buses are carbon negative and natural gas is good for the environment 
somehow.  Are you working on pushing back on the falsehoods they are spreading?

14:06:09 From John Meyer To Everyone:
	Question:  The per capita daily electricity consumption of Ontario residents appears to be around 24 kWh.  In a fully electrified society, our per capita daily budget would be around 150 kWh.  This is a factor of 6.  Current electricity consumption appears to be close to matching current generating capacity.  True?  If so, even with the current population, never mind the tripling underway as per the Century initiative mandate, we don't have the capacity to go fully electric and Quebec capacity will not be sufficient.  Have you looked at the capacity necessary for a fully electrified society and at the population growth implications?

14:06:18 From Neil Alexander To Everyone:
	If you banned gas plants, you would deny Alberta and Saskatchewan the opportunity to lower their emissions and basically black out both provinces.

14:06:42 From Richard van der Jagt To Everyone:
	Which is better, air source or ground source heat pump in Ottawa?

14:07:30 From Dave Dougherty (CACOR) To Everyone:
	Relevant link < https://www.cleanairalliance.org/cer/ >

14:08:18 From Richard van der Jagt To Everyone:
	What if you already have a working furnace and air conditioner?

14:09:46 From Dave Dougherty (CACOR) To Everyone:
	Link is in the chat.

14:10:55 From Jean Dougherty To Everyone:
	Air Source Heat Pumps are eligible for NRCan's Green Homes Program, which will bring the installation costs in line with replacing gas or oil furnaces and air conditioners.  You need to be replacing both furnace and AC to make it really cost effective.

14:11:45 From Walter Knitl To Everyone:
	Q:  I agree with emphasis on hydro electricity, but I'm wondering how stable that will be in the future given that Climate Change is drying up  rivers and reservoirs (e.g., in Europe this year, SW United States).

14:12:03 From Angela Bischoff - OCAA To Everyone:
	Here’s where you can send a letter to Trudeau and Singh: https://www.cleanairalliance.org/open-letters-to-prime-minister-trudeau-and-jagmeet-singh/

14:12:04 From Peter Ottensmeyer To Everyone:
	We had an air-cooled heat pump for 25 years. Then Ontario introduced time-of-use billing for electricity and the heating bill rose significantly. When it came time to replace the heat pump we went to gas heating and reduced the heating bill to one third of what it was. The wife was happy as well, because the heating was much more responsive.

14:12:54 From Richard van der Jagt To Art Hunter(Privately):
	i have a question

14:12:59 From Don Cameron To Everyone:
	IESO sponsored the York Region Non-Wires Alternative project which is a virtual power plant run by the Alectra local distribution company.

14:13:11 From Dave Dougherty (CACOR) To Everyone:
	My understanding is that new ASHP models are much more efficient than those of 25 years ago.

14:13:15 From Angela Bischoff - OCAA To Everyone:
	Here’s Ontario’s Electricity Options cost factsheet:  https://www.cleanairalliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/options2022nov.pdf

14:14:14 From Angela Bischoff - OCAA To Everyone:
	Here’s our Heat Pump Primer: https://www.cleanairalliance.org/heat-pump-primer/

14:15:31 From Angela Bischoff - OCAA To Everyone:
	Here’s our factsheet: Does ON need new gas plants? https://www.cleanairalliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/New-Gas-fact-or-fiction-sheet-oct-18-v_02.pdf

14:16:09 From Angela Bischoff - OCAA To Everyone:
	See all our leaflets and order them here: https://www.cleanairalliance.org/pamphlets/

14:16:59 From Neil Alexander To Everyone:
	That was a misquote about the cost of energy...and really the fact that it was such an egregious misquote is a demonstration of how little this presenter cares about facts.  [For information on Dr Alexander, one can visit < https://www.economicclub.ca/speakers/161 > Ed.]

14:17:26 From Angela Bischoff - OCAA To Everyone:
	@neil, to what cost of energy are you referring?

14:17:35 From Neil Alexander To Everyone:
	For what its worth, the story told about the cost of the reactor a decade ago was incorrect as well!

14:18:45 From Dave Dougherty (CACOR) To Art Hunter(Privately):
	Sparks could fly if these two get into a debate.

14:19:07 From Art Hunter To Dave Dougherty (CACOR)(Privately):
	I will put him to the end and he may fall off the cliff

14:19:28 From Neil Alexander To Everyone:
	The energy too free to meter comment...  [It would seem he meant to say the 'too cheap to meter.'  ed.]

14:20:58 From Dave Dougherty (CACOR) To Everyone:
	On "too cheap to meter"...
	https://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/basic-ref/students/history-101/too-cheap-to-meter.html

14:21:17 From Angela Bischoff - OCAA To Everyone:
	Cost references are on page 2: https://www.cleanairalliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/options2022nov.pdf

14:23:18 From Peter Ottensmeyer To Everyone:
	When you buy electricity from foreign sources, the money is gone out of our boundaries.  When we pay the same amount for electricity in Ontario, the money pays for the salaries of people in Ontario, i.e. is part of our economy.  Why is that not part of the discussion?

14:23:34 From Ted Manning To Everyone:
	It has always astonished me the obsession of some our leaders to choose the most hazardous locations possible for anything which carries risk and which scares their public.  Any sane planner would at least site things like nuclear, hazardous waste generators of any kind, and dynamite factories at least away from the largest population centres and certainly not on our most precious water sources.  It amazes me that [they choose to use] the most costly, dangerous and damaging, or potentially damaging [in proximity] to their citizens and the planet.  Go figure????  [My additions in square brackets.  Ed.]

14:26:28 From Peter Ottensmeyer To Everyone:
	Ted, since the inception of nuclear power in North America in 1951, no one has died from the production on nuclear generated electricity.  Safe????
[This requires ignoring the fate of the uranium miners and their families, in particular.  See this link as one example 
< http://www.nuclear-risks.org/en/hibakusha-worldwide/elliot-lake.html > Ed.]

14:26:32 From Neil Alexander To Everyone:
	Much of the information about Quebec power was incorrect.  In fact, we export power to Quebec in the winter.  From a climate change point of view, we would actually make matter worse anyway...diverting power from the NE USA who would burn coal if they could not access that power.  GHGs are entirely fungible...not emitting in Ontario...makes no difference if we make people emit more somewhere else.

14:29:36 From Don Cameron To Everyone:
	C. Quebec has a lot of class A sites for 2-reservoir, off-river pumped hydro sites.

14:29:47 From Angela Bischoff - OCAA To Everyone:
	@Neil, QC has massive surplus power.  They’re unable to sell much to the US because of transmission constraints.

14:33:38 From Ted Manning To Everyone:
	Understood that there are no Canadian deaths except one person (my cousin at an in plant radiation accident in Chalk River in about 1950), but in our work to try to even locate areas for waste the real issue has been public fear.  Municipalities would not even let sealed trucks carrying safely housed in cement low-level nuclear waste through their communities to a really safe deep burial site.  The issue with nuclear is perception, not reality-- they think 'bomb' and have a look at comparative housing values within perceived hazard distances of even the reactors with the best safety records.

14:45:53 From Dave Dougherty (CACOR) To Everyone:
	Conservation Authority link < https://trca.ca/ >.

14:59:48 From Dave Dougherty (CACOR) To Everyone:
	If 100% electricity reliability were really essentially, all our residential lines would be buried so they'd not be damaged in storms.  Clearly, 
100% is not for what we plan.

15:01:16 From Raymond Leury To Everyone:
	Nuclear is too expensive, period.  That should be enough for us to stop refurbing or deploying new nuclear.

15:06:47 From Neil Alexander To Everyone:
	Re nuclear is too expensive...it may be a bit like Churchill's view on democracy...it's the most expensive other than all the other options...remember the objective is reliable power...not just power available when its available...its a different challenge.

15:08:07 From Raymond Leury To Everyone:
	Sorry Neil, but solar and wind are extremely reliable.  They may be intermittent, but are VERY reliable.  All we need is to solve the storage problem and we have many, many solutions for that already.  Jack's explanation of using Québec reservoirs is one of the better options.

15:08:46 From Don Cameron To Everyone:
	Q.  Have you considered pressuring IESO to allow unrestricted attachment of residential solar to the grid so that people can have reliable power when extreme weather takes out the grid for many days or even weeks like happened in May with the derecho?

15:13:21 From Angela Bischoff - OCAA To Everyone:
	@Neil, the IEA says 95% of new supply in the next 5 years will come from renewables.  That is to say that the whole world is going renewable, hence the rock bottom prices.  ON is going nuclear, as is China.  India is building a few nukes.  Howwever, the share of nuclear to electrify around the world is declining, partly because the price keeps skyrocketing due primarily to safety and security concerns.  See the World Nuclear Industry Status Report: https://www.worldnuclearreport.org/

15:18:53 From Neil Alexander To Everyone:
	The UK is also returning to nuclear having recognized that its renewables program could never do the heavy lifting.  The US is moving to gas...which is helpful but doesn't take us to where we want to go.  Saskatchewan can't see how it can achieve its objectives without nuclear.  Australia is reconsidering.  Everyvday another nation adds itself to the list of people looking at nuclear as they realize their challenge.

15:20:08 From Angela Bischoff - OCAA To Everyone:
	Yes, the UK cons.  Gov’t is spending billions on nuclear.  SK wants nuclear because they produce uranium.  Australia also produces uranium.

15:20:32 From Neil Alexander To Everyone:
	Actually, the solar power record is not good.  Mostly people falling off roofs, but also because they stay active in fires.  Windmills often catch fire while being serviced and the technicians have the choice of buring to death or jumping.  All these facts are easily found with a bits of investigation.