13:44:50	 From  Peter MacKinnon : Disturbing report issued recently by the UN Office for Disaster Reduction called: One World at Risk:Transforming Governance for a Resilient Future 

See https://www.undrr.org/gar2022-our-world-risk#container-downloads  This report focuses on planetary limits and the leading trending scenario is collapse (as in Jared Diamond).

13:49:22	 From  Jon Legg : How can the broadest international POLITICAL forum (the UN General Assembly) and the broadest international LEGAL forum (?International Criminal Court?) be "put together" to advance action on the most existential problem (i.e., climate change)?

13:52:00	 From  Claude Buettner : TY, Peter, easy to download the report; will read later.

13:54:35	 From  Zack Jacobson : Governments greenwash, too, including some of our favourites.

13:55:09	 From  Claude Buettner : So EU declaring natural gas (85% methane) "green" is a form of expedient greenwashing?

13:57:09	 From  Peter MacKinnon : Is it possible for the International Criminal Count to hear cases of crimes against humanity due to 'bad' climate change policy or blocking such policy.

14:04:08	 From  Ted Manning : What is the likelihood of largescale class actions against governments, industries, or whatever to penalize or avert environmental crimes?

14:09:45	 From  William Rees : Seems to me that agriculture, especially modern production agriculture, is by far the greatest of eco-crimes since it destroys more habitat and drives more population and species extinctions than any other human activity.  Where do we draw the line?

14:17:51	 From  William Rees : All human activity affects ecosystems.  Seems to  me it all boils down to "moderation in all things".  That is--there are reasonable limits to legitimate levels of exploitation and economic growth.  If we don't recognize this, then eco-crime (excess exploitation beyond regeneration rates) is inevitable and universal.

14:20:47	 From  William Rees : Keep in mind that climate change is merely a symptom of overshoot (exceeding the regenerative and assimilative capacities of the ecosphere).  All eco-crime stems from overshoot, the excess exploitation of nature.  Are corporations following the perpetual growth ethic not automatically eco-criminals by the loose definition and are not all consumers complicit in the crime?

14:25:21	 From  William Rees : Bottom line?  There are too many people consuming and pollution too much.

14:28:28	 From  William Rees : Merely living involves consumption and eco-damage plus waste discharge and eco-pollution.  Again, this is inevitable-- the real problem is too much consumption and too much pollution (or too many people consuming and polluting too much).  Is the basic solution not fewer people living simpler lifestyles?

14:31:52	 From  Zack Jacobson : Wait, what? Who said who needed to work on her anger management problems?  [Donald Trump said that.  Ed.]

14:41:34	 From  Vic Buxton : I have been suggesting for years that the only way we can truly energize the UN system to address these critical environment issues is to create an Environmental Security Council rather than just the current regime addressing war and peace issues.  Do you agree?

14:43:14	 From  William Rees : Everything seems "siloed" because separate interest group fails to connect their multiple dots to the main driver, which is overshoot.  Climate change, energy exploitation, land degradation, biodiversity loss, pollution of everything are all co-symptoms of overshoot, and none can be addressed without addressing overshoot--too many people consuming and polluting too much.  The solution is fewer people consuming less--both are taboo subjects.  Comment?

14:48:52	 From  Dave Dougherty (CACOR) : I suspect we need to define eco-crimes as ones involving things that were done despite problems that were known or SHOULD HAVE BEEN KNOWN.

14:49:18	 From  Zack Jacobson : Can the eco-legal movement move quickly enough to evade/avoid/deal with civilizational collapse, nakedly, due to climate catastrophe?

14:50:46	 From  John Hollins : Dr. Omrow, what keeps you going?

14:51:39	 From  Peter MacKinnon : With respect to agriculture, much of the US southwest is drying out as the Colorado River and its reservoirs water levels drop.

14:54:27	 From  Peter MacKinnon : Where does the subject of 'integrity' fit into your legal/best practices in dealing with ecocide?