13:49:11 From  Anitra Thorhaug  to  Everyone:
	I disagree with Bill that the problem is waste management.  It is one of several problems.  Regeneration of the living resources that we are degrading using up.  We have decimated 85% of the worlds forests and 50% of estuarine resources.  These need regeneration, and waste management alone will not do this.  The self-delusion of not finding regeneration critical is one of the sets of self-delusions leading us over the cliff. 

13:56:36 From  John Mcclintock  to  Everyone:
	Do you think it will be necessary to decarbonize agriculture?  Would it not be sensible to decarbonize some other sectors (private transport 
for instance) rather than farming, and allow farmers to continue to use some fossil fuels since farming is so essential to life?  Are the emissions from 
this quantity (used by farming) being removed by the carbon cycle by the oceans and other terrestrial sinks?

14:07:57 From  Mike Nickerson  to  Everyone:
	Clearly, a material transformation to renewable energy is not viable.  What do you see for non-material transformation——a cultural transformation 
to minimal energy use and maximum fulfillment from living?  More Fun, Less Stuff.

14:09:46 From  Jack Alpert  www@skil.org  to  Everyone:
	There is a niche on Earth that will support humans like us.  What is that number of people who live in that niche?  How did you figure it out?  
How soon can we reduce to that population?

14:10:19 From  John Meyer  to  Everyone:
	Renewable energy may not be the sole solution, but is there anywhere better to start than with electrification of our societies?

14:10:35 From  Sundaura Alford-Purvis (She / Her)  to  Everyone:
	A facet of this that I haven't heard discussed is that these are the weather events we are experiencing at 1 degree C of warming.  Our 'best case' scenario of 1.5 degree C will be more extreme and we are currently on track for 2.4 C.

14:12:19 From  Anitra Thorhaug  to  Everyone:
	Some of the climate scientists who have studied paleo-temperatures for 6 decades say 1.5 degrees C will be overshot no matter what we do 
in intervention.

14:13:17 From  Jon Legg  to  Everyone:
	Would there be any hope of using the debate when the anti-smoking campaign was at its height, by vilifying the fossil fuel executives in the 
same way that tobacco executives were vilified?  This is entirely unscientific, but the public's attitude is also unscientific. 

14:19:07 From  John Mcclintock  to  Everyone:
	Do you think that it is a good idea for everyone to have a carbon budget = to his or her current emissions, and be legally required to reduce 
that carbon budget year on year for the next 10 years, with the government being obliged to do all within its powers to help us all to reduce our emissions?

14:20:16 From  Zack Jacobson  to  Everyone:
	The must-do slide lost sight of the utter necessity to decarbonize the atmosphere by many gigatonnes.

14:21:25 From  Steven Kurtz  to  Everyone:
	Given that hierarchy is wired in social mammals, is it realistic to plan for voluntary leveling of lifestyles or is forced coercion needed? 
Garrett Hardin thought mutual coercion was needed to reverse population growth.

14:22:04 From  Tom Walker  to  Everyone:
	When you ask "who will do the work?" does that imply that the administration of labour through the wage labour system would have to change?

14:22:09 From  Zack Jacobson  to  Everyone:
	BTW, notions of decarbonizing the air sufficiently by mechanical methods are, likewise, greatly unrealistic.

14:23:43 From  Erik Post (he/him) erikpost@mail.ubc.ca  to  Everyone:
	Q: Given that the underlying drivers of overshoot are so deeply rooted in our societal structures of domination, would addressing overshoot not require dismantling the various structures of domination over human and other species, especially including uneven capitalist social relations?

14:23:58 From  Erik Post (he/him) erikpost@mail.ubc.ca  to  Everyone:
	Also, thanks for the fantastic talk!

14:27:51 From  Minal Mistry (DEQ)  to  Everyone:
	Thanks you.  Brilliant.  Bayo Acomolafe asks: What if the way we are approaching the crisis is itself a crisis masquerading as a solution?

14:29:17 From  Dave Dougherty  to  Everyone:
	While overshoot is the existential threat, if we can't solve the climate crisis by the usual technical attack, do we have any chance to solve overshoot?

14:29:40 From  Bill Tyson  to  Everyone:
	Bill, there is a "Net-Zero Advisory Board" that has been formed to advise the government.  Have you forwarded your presentation to them?  That 
would be very useful.

14:33:15 From  John Hollins  to  Everyone:
	Political promises in the federal election made absolutely no sense.

14:34:04 From  Sundaura Alford-Purvis (She / Her)  to  Everyone:
	A lot of the space and provision of critical services currently being filled by economy was once provided through community.  If we are going to
make the transition away from high consumption economy we’ll need to re-learn how to be in community.

14:34:40 From  Dave Dougherty  to  Everyone:
	I had been hoping we might collectively avoid the unethical premature deaths of billions of people, but hope is just not a very good strategy 
and it is looking ever more likely that those deaths will happen.

14:34:50 From  Herbert Girardet  to  Everyone:
	I think it is time to put the industrial revolution on trial--go back to the roots of the MTI world in which live we--look to the dynamics of 
fossil-fuel-based development.  Maybe retracing our steps will enable us to develop relevant perspectives for the overshoot predicament we face.
 
14:39:26 From  Kathy Schwarz  to  Everyone:
	Will the recording be made available to us?

14:39:43 From  Dave Dougherty  to  Kathy Schwarz(Direct Message):
	Yes.

14:40:00 From  Jean Dougherty  to  Everyone:
	Yes, the talk and the discussion will be posted on the CACOR website in the next couple of days.  canadiancor.com

14:40:43 From  Ted King  to  Everyone:
	Vaclav Smil covers this topic in detail in his 2021 book "Grand Transitions" by Oxford University Press.  The tremendous impact of China is 
covered in detail as it went from a rural to urban society.

14:41:00 From  Sundaura Alford-Purvis (She / Her)  to  Everyone:
	An interesting book that looks at how many more possibilities of ways of living and thinking than are often included in current narratives is 
"The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity" by David Graeber and David Wengrow.

14:41:15 From  Steven Kurtz  to  Everyone:
	Must leave. Thanks Bill, for a well thought out presentation.

14:48:15 From  Anitra Thorhaug  to  Everyone:
	Sorry have to leave for another zoom discussion. This was a presentation of great impact, Bill.  Thanks. 

14:50:53 From  Philippe Kearns  to  Everyone:
	Do you think, given the laws of Nature that, voluntary contraction is even possible?  Steve Kurtz has also asked the same question.  I don't think it is possible, but it's a good thing to advocate for it because, who knows?  Excellent presentation!  Thank you!

14:52:31 From  John Meyer  to  Everyone:
	A return to draught animals to replace fossil fuels in agriculture might require as much 30% of the farmed land to feed them.

14:56:22 From  Jinfeng Zhou_CBCGDF  to  Everyone:
	Must leave now. Thanks Bill, very insightful presentation.

14:59:44 From  Debbie Kasper  to  Everyone:
	Yes to all this.  So much to say.  I cannot come on camera/mike due to my bad connection.  If there’s time, I’m curious about whether Bill advocates skipping over solar and wind altogether even in the short term.  I’d really appreciate hearing his take on this.  Thanks!

15:03:13 From  Erik Post (he/him) erikpost@mail.ubc.ca  to  Everyone:
	I have to run! Thanks so much Bill for the great talk, I hope to see you sometime around UBC.  Thanks to all at CACOR for organising this!

15:08:46 From  Rick Carpenter  to  Everyone:
	Overshoot is in part due to the size of our population.  Ironically, eliminating overshoot will by necessity result in increasing reliance on 
human muscle power to sustain ourselves.  Agrarian societies that rely on human energy tend to have large families, thus increasing mouths to feed.

15:09:05 From  Ted Manning  to  Dave Dougherty(Direct Message):
	Very good call to action.  Who to lead the charge?

15:28:41 From  Dave Dougherty  to  Everyone:
	Jack Alpert's website is < www.skil.org >.

15:34:00 From  Dave Dougherty  to  Everyone:
	The book just mentioned is "Of Men and Galaxies" by Fred Hoyle < https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1408286.Of_Men_and_Galaxies >.