13:30:14 From Edward MANNING to Art Hunter(Privately) : You are echoing a lot 13:44:40 From Art Hunter to Edward MANNING(Privately) : I think the echo was from some other system but all mutes are on now. 13:52:32 From Thorhaug Anitra : They say in lake titikaka that llamas came under livestock culture in 16,000 years ago. 13:59:16 From John Meyer : If humans have had the same intellectual capacity for the last 200,000 years, would we not have been experimenting with agricultural over that period but the volatility of the climate continually overturned those early developments. It was not until the climate stabilized to an absolutely exceptional level ~ 12,000 years ago. Do you think agriculture was possibly practiced much earlier than we have documented to this point? 14:00:14 From Thorhaug Anitra : yes . agriculture earlier. 14:00:45 From Jeff Passmore : How would you know if you are part of the 66%? 14:02:12 From Thorhaug Anitra : These ar eeuopean Eating habits which we brought with us. the native indigenous people did not over eat protein. 14:03:53 From Edward MANNING : I did some work in Mexico years ago in a valley where corn was domesticated about 9000 years ago - and where the evidence remains in valley creches where the original corn cobs (whole cob the size of a pussy willow) show the growth of cobs over the centureies (thrown into the ashes) move towards current size 14:09:52 From Jeff Passmore : I understand there is no shortage of food in the world, but rather a distribution and refrigeration challenge. Can you comment? 14:10:07 From jonlegg@magma.ca : wHY CAN we not try to decrease our population, before the limited resources of the world does if for us. ? From Jon Legg 14:10:41 From Thorhaug Anitra : Good show Jon! 14:11:12 From John Meyer : Yes Jon! 14:12:11 From Thorhaug Anitra to Art Hunter(Privately) : I have a question for her 14:12:35 From Art Hunter to Thorhaug Anitra(Privately) : OK, you are first. 14:13:24 From Edward MANNING : Shifting cultivation (t relatively low population densities) did result in regular migration to new pastures and fields – and often led to wars between adjacent tribes. There is some very interesting literature on social organization from these cultures where the ecology was central to their governance. The current patterns of producing crops for export is more productive per acre but far more fragile. 14:14:47 From John Meyer : How many hectares of Canadian farmland does it take to supply a Canadian with a good diet? 14:16:08 From Edward MANNING : So, were we bred to eat each other? Did my ancestors eat their way to the top of the food chain and therefore we have difficulty becoming vegans? How about Soylent Green? 14:16:26 From Art Hunter to Dave and Jean(Privately) : I told Anitra she is first with a question. Then John Myer, Jeff Passmore, Ted and Jon 14:17:17 From Dave and Jean to Art Hunter(Privately) : thanks I missed that. Dave is also wanting to make a comment 14:19:49 From Art Hunter to Dave and Jean(Privately) : I have a question 14:19:50 From Alison Hobbs : How optimistic are you that the vested interests of big agriculture companies will allow us to make the changes necessary for a healthy future? 14:25:11 From Mary Hegan : locally produced versus mass production from a distance make significant difference to human health, access, and social well-being? today? Does EAT-LANCET doing this kind of research on planetary health? 14:30:16 From barrybruce : Corn and soybeans seem to dominate the land use around Ottawa, and presumably, much of the world - these are destined to become processed foods, or animal feed (Meat, for us) - comment on how we might switch from big agriculture to smaller agriculture, growing food for direct consumption by people. 14:31:02 From Susan Tanner : where is the divider between under fertilizing and over fertilizing? 14:31:18 From Art Hunter to Philip Cockshutt(Privately) : Would you want to thank her? At the end? 14:32:44 From barrybruce : 3 sisters crops work - how about starchy root crops, beans and legumes (protein) , squash, as a completely adequate diet for humans (maybe not young. Children….) 14:37:33 From barrybruce : Populations, using birth control and having small families, don’t have to grow at all…..in fact, theoretically family sizes could shrink. (Barry Bruce ) 14:39:04 From barrybruce : Except for proposed US Supreme Court judges… 14:40:14 From Mary Hegan : most interesting to understand foods on physical body Changes' and physical health. For humans does food production and consumption not have an equal effect social-emotional health? ie on behaviour; social identity and culture, and mental well-being? 14:43:33 From barrybruce : Apparently the 3rd leading contributor to CO2 in the atmosphere is food wastage….. 14:51:42 From Art Hunter : Jean remember me and my question 14:52:37 From barrybruce : Even impossible meat, as a highly processed food, will have some impossible-to-detect drawbacks, like other processed food 14:53:41 From barrybruce : However, it takes about 100 acres of land to produce an amount of beef equivalent to 3 acres of plant based food (direct consumption by people) 14:54:11 From Edward MANNING : Food habits are about the most difficult to change . In theory we can feed everyone -= but the "food" may not look like what they are used to or taste familiar. It is possible in an emergency to package "food" and provide enough to everyone = bit politics, taste, feeedom to choose etc are not likely to permit it ..even in what is perceived as an exteme emergency. 14:56:27 From Dave and Jean to Art Hunter(Privately) : I will thank Catherine and then you can turn off the recording please 14:57:10 From barrybruce : We may well have gotten our B12 from dirt, 14:59:48 From barrybruce : I have to go, but thank you, great presentation!!!